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You get what you pay for!
Written by Guest on 2008-01-20 16:33:13
Example of rapid expansion and experience. The same lack you are now seeing in new hire pilots with FAA minimums. With pay cuts no one is attracted to the industry and everyone in the world is scraping the bottom of the barrel now looking for pilots. This isn't a job you want to have the lowest bidder in charge.
After a few accidents, maybe the attitude of the flying public will change. |
Why there is two crew members on board
Written by Guest on 2007-11-17 15:09:11
This is the very example of the severe lack of headwork done by a flight crew. As stated by previous guests, the flight crew failed to comunicate with each other. It is imparative that each crew member listen to each other reguardless of position on the flightdeck.In other words[Listen to what each other has to say.] |
Written by Guest on 2007-04-08 07:50:01
The ex military copilot had substantial jet experience, and according to the cockpit voice recording transcript, he knew that something wasn't right; that the airplane wasn't accelerating as usual; but he had clearly lacked survival instinct by not being assertive and shoving the throttles full forward. The NTSB tests had determined that if full throttles [maximum power] had been applied after rotation and the beginning of the stick shaker, that the airplane would have avoided a full stall and climbed sufficiently to preclude impact with buildings. |
Retired 737 Captain/Check Airman
Written by Guest on 2007-03-31 14:43:17
This accident was caused by the First Officer's failure to have enough balls to correct a weak captain's insanity and get-home- itis. Case closed. |
memorial?
Written by Guest on 2006-10-06 13:17:39
I know it has been such a long time. But is there a memorial for the people that lost their lives that day? |
Air Florida Captain
Written by Guest on 2006-09-13 13:27:54
Amen. 40 grit sandpaper one foot wide glued to the leading edge of a B-737-200, wing tip to wing tip ,the plane WILL NOT FLY, More power would have pitched it UP even more. Wished for years I would have been the captain on that flight. |
Written by Guest on 2006-07-11 20:44:29
add another cause or two:
1: did not raise the gear, it would have flown
2: did not go to firewall thrust , it would have flown
me? 20 yr 737 captain, i was there next day; friend was in cockpit behind them and is still haunted by not saying anything to the crew |
Blind Trust
Written by Guest on 2006-07-06 16:04:31
If anyone would like to read a detailed account of the accident and investigation, John J. Nance wrote a book called "Blind Trust" that details the failures in the FAA and management that allowed this tragedy to take place. |
Herrick Laylin
Written by Guest on 2006-06-28 13:59:57
I can vividly recall the first day "on the job" of Pan Am's newly-annointed Chairman of the Board, C. Edward Acker, former CEO of Air Florida, who, when asked by the press to state his thoughts on such an auspicious ocassion, said "Now I know how the Capatin of the Titanic must have felt"! Talk about instilling confidence within not only the Pan Am Family, but just as importantly within the investment community. A rather sorry attempt at humor and a further hastening of the demise of what, at one time, was the greatest International Airline in the World. Sad, but true. |
Denise Bradstreet
Written by Guest on 2006-06-18 13:42:49
I would just like to comment, that I was a QH employee from 1978-1984 in Orlando Fl. I felt a tremendous loss that still haunts me to this very day. Air Florida was unique in that it was small enough to be a family, yet big enough to be the second largest airline to fly out of our hub, Miami. We all knew the crew personally. Captain Wheaton's wife lived here in Orlando. We became friends, as she would come to the ticket counter to use the watts line to call her husband in Miami. We also shared the fact that we were both expecting our first babies. Our bond was fairly close. The times were exciting at Air Florida. I had stood many in that cockpit doing the weight and ballance, (which was done by hand in those days). How strange to picture it in pieces, and laying on the bottom of the Patomic River, passengers still strapped into their seats. Our beautiful blue , green, and white plane reduced to floating junk. Several monthes later I saw Captain Wheaton's wife coming off one of the flights I was working. She had her beautiful blond son on her hip. She saw me standing at the jetway controls and smiled a big smile at me. Then what happened next I will never forget. The smile left her face almost immedietly, and she said to me with a hollow voice "I CANNOT talk to you," and dissapeared in the crowd up the jetway. I knew why she said those words. It was because I reminded her of a time of happiness that now eluded her. And now I was part of her pain. I understood immedietly. I wll always in my heart and soul be an Air Florida girl. Thank you for the oppertunity to share a small part of my feelings about this sad and tragic day. And blessings I send out to all who will forever be haunted by the memories. God Bless |
The Rest of the Story
Written by Guest on 2006-06-16 12:07:26
A major contributing fact is that after the crash it was found that there was information already known by the European aviation community and Boeing that showed even very small amounts of frost, never the less ice and snow, on the leading edges of the B-737 wings will causes the aircraft to stall. I believe it was referred to as pitch-up and roll tendency. This defect was apparently known by Boeing for some time before the Air Florida crash, but it was never addressed in any service bulletin or shared with the US aviation community. Had this knowledge been shared by Boeing and adequate awareness and training on this matter, the crew and passengers may have had a chance.
FAA A/W Inspector |
Written by Guest on 2006-03-03 22:28:55
also, if I remember correctly, the captain said "onf" for engine anti-ice. The recording is not very clear, but they decided by the tone of his voice matching other times he said "off" that this is what he said. But it is not clear whether he said on or off...
YoYoMa |
More info from a book
Written by Guest on 2006-02-01 22:47:39
Those 2 weren't the only things that contributed to the accident. A total of 12 things contributed to the accident...but the book is at the library, so I can't list all 12. I can say the following:
A. Failure to turn on de-ice
B. Failure to return to gate to de-ice wings after ice formed again
C. Failure to pitch down to save the plane
D. Inexperienced flight crew
E. Use of reverse thrust to pull out of gate |
Cool.
Written by Guest on 2006-01-28 19:03:56
Nice  |
Written by Guest on 2006-01-27 08:35:28
Very interesting. I do think I remember reading that when I wrote this paper a year or two ago. Thanks for the information! |
Written by Guest on 2006-01-24 08:47:37
This is a very interesting article.
Might I add a litle to it? The co-pilot was ex-military, and would not have answered back to the captain in an emergency. He did not sugest that they should but the engine anti-ice on, because he probably had the sense of rank too well imprinted in his mind. |
